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Q Nordic project focuses on academic research for Q-L804 origin

The origins of the Nordic Q branches are obscure and especially the Q-L804 branch with it’s relation to American Q-M3 has raised questions. Research is needed.

The Q Nordic project includes about 34 BigY tests in the Q-L804 subclade, a large and very important source of information.  To possibly get an answer regarding the origin of Q-L804, the Q Nordic project intends to ask the members with BigY tests one by one for consent to publish their BAM files with raw data and make them available for anyone doing academic research.

We will start this process immediately and hope that this will give a boost to the research.

Jakob Norstedt, admin Q Nordic project

For questions, please e-mail at jakob@hoijen.se

This is the Yfull Q-L804 branch.

This is a status report from January 2016.

 

 

Emanuel Swedenborg – his origin in haplogroup I1-BY229

The Y-DNA of a man of the nobility Swedenborg has been tested and been found to be of haplogroup I1-BY229. It is likely that this is also the haplogroup of the 18th century internationally known scientist and mystic Emanuel Swedenborg.

Emanuel Swedenborg

Emanuel Swedenborg was a member of one of the noble families of the Stora Kopparberget area in Falun, Sweden (a UNESCO World Heritage ). His father was born at the estate Sveden a couple of kilometers east of Falun. The name ”Sveden” indicates that it  once was an area of burn-beating agriculture and it just by coincidence is the same as the country name ”Sweden”.

Estate of Sveden

Emanuel and his brothers were knighted and given the name Swedenborg in 1718 as was the tradition since they were sons of a Bishop, Jesper Svedberg.

After studying in Uppsala, Emanuel Swedenborg started a career as a scientist  and mystic. He died after a long life in London in 1772 [Wikipedia] .  He didn’t have any children but there are several agnatic descendants of his brother Jesper.

Swedenborg family

One of the descendants has been tested (FTDNA kit # 491250) and the BigY results show that he belongs to the I1-Z73 subclade I1-BY229. This is the I1-BY229 branch at Yfull:
https://yfull.com/tree/I-BY229/

I1-BY229

Swedenborg is not yet at Yfull but his FTDNA results indicates that he shares at least two novel SNPs with YF02504, a man with ancestry from Bjuråker about 150 km north of Falun. This should indicate a common ancestor about 900 to 1300 years ago.

Is this the correct haplogroup?

One could have doubts whether this single sample from a living person really represents the haplogroup of Emanuel Swedenborg, born in the 17th century. We don’t know for sure, but it is in fact quite likely that there aren’t any NPE:s (Non Paterna Event) on the line from his father Jesper Svedberg b. 1653 to present.

Jesper Svedberg was born in Falun but moved to Stockholm and Uppsala for work after studies in Lund in the south of Sweden. The son Emanuel was born in Stockholm and the son Jesper was born in Uppsala. But Stockholm and Uppsala are not I1-BY229 areas; the subclade has it’s concentration in central Sweden, generally north of the areas were the Swedenborg family has lived since Jesper Svedberg moved from Falun for studies in Uppsala in 1666. This makes it likely (although not proven) that the tested person Swedenborg has indeed inherited the haplogroup from Jesper Svedberg, born in Falun in 1653. Thus, since Jesper Svedberg was the father of Emanuel Swedenborg this is most likely his haplogroup.

Swedenborg – origin and migration

Emanuel Swedenborg died in London but is since 1910 resting in a sarcophagus in the Uppsala Cathedral. His cranium was bought for £ 1,500 at Sotheby’s in 1978 to be reunited with the corpus.

Sarcophagus of Emanuel Swedenborg, Uppsala Cathedral

Acknowledgment: Thanks for the kind contribution to the Kopparberget project which made the BigY testing possible.

If you would like to support further testings like this from the Kopparberget area, please donate with this link. All contributions are most appreciated.

Jakob Norstedt

Admin of Kopparberget and I1-L1302 projects
E-mail: jakob@hoijen.se

Olof Nilsson Stjärna / Star of Kopparberget, b. abt. 1420, belongs to hg R1a-CTS3402

Abstract

Stora Kopparberget, the Great Copper Mountain, was a medieval mining and industrial center of Sweden. Many prominent and nobel families are ancestral of the area. Since 2001, the area is a UNESCO World Heritage.

Three brothers are mentioned at the court of Kopparberget in 1473, Olof, Markvard, and Hans. They were sons of Olof Nilsson, the most distant ancestor of what is called Stjärna Kopparbergssläkten (Star of Kopparberget) [1].

One agnatic (paternal) line to present days from the son Olof and one from the son Markvard have been tested with Y-DNA37, matching each other as expected. At the Olof line there are two matching results with a documented MRCA at the 18th century. SNP tests on one of the results demonstrates that the kin belongs to the haplogroup R1a-CTS3402.

BigY testing is required for further confirmation and perhaps indications of the pre-historic origin of the kin.

Background

Kniva, Vika parish

Olof Nilsson lived in the 15th century in the village Kniva east of Falun in the province of Dalecarlia in central Sweden. A painting on one of the glass windows in the Vika church has been associated with Olof, thus he has been said to belong to a medieval nobility Stjärna / ”Star”. Traditionally it has been thought to be of Danish ancestry.

His sons Olof, Markvard, and Hans are mentioned in documents from the court at Kopparberget in 1473. From this one can conclude that Olof should have been born around 1420 or a little earlier.

Stiernhielmsstenen i Kniva, Vika

All three sons are known to have had descendants for several generations [2]. The son Hans should have been the ancestor of the nobilities Swedenborg and Schönström but this has recently been proved to be incorrect. [5].

The son Olof had several descendants, e.g. Hans, the ancestor of the Rottneby line.

The son Markvard was the ancestor of Georg Stiernhielm. Stiernhielm was knighted 1631 and granted the estate Wassula north of Tartu in Estonia, at that time a part of Sweden. The nobilities von Stiernhielm lived at Wassula for centuries. The last agnatic descendant Nils von Stiernhielm (d. 2003) was born at the estate.

DNA results

Testing of Stjärna – Overview

Complete lines can be downloaded here [6]

Markers for the tested persons, Y-DNA37 (click for larger image)

The results can also be found in the FTDNA project Kopparberget [4].

Bengt-Erik Lind, descendant of Olof Nilsson Stjärna

The kits match normally and there are no other matches close to the group.  Jouko Lindh who has tested 67 markers has his closest match in the Sweden DNA project at gd=13 (67 markers). The large distance to other tested Swedes supports the conclusion that the three tested men really have Olof Nilsson Stjärna as a common ancestor.

SNP-tests have placed Bengt-Erik Lind in haplogroup R1a-CTS3402.

Announcements

All three tested persons have approved the publishing of their names.

Thanks to Mr. Stefan Jernberg and Mr. Torsten Berglund for checking of the written records of the tested lines.

Jakob Norstedt
Member of SSGG – Swedish Society for Genetic Genealogy

E-mail: jakob@hoijen.se


References

  1. Elisabet Hemström – ”Stjärna-ättens stamfar – ett danskt riksråd?” Fahlu Släktforskarblad nr 14 / 2004:4
  2. Bertil Boëthius – ”Kopparbergslagen fram till 1570-talets genombrott” p 578-580
  3. Helmer Lagergren – Stjärnalinje till släkten Lind, anteckningar 1936-04-18
  4. FTDNA Projekt Kopparberget https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/kopparberget
  5. Adelskalendern 2016
  6. Complete lines

 

 

Q-L804 – Current status 2016-01-29

by Jakob Norstedt, admin Q Nordic project
E-mail: jakob@hoijen.se

Q-L804 is one of the two subclades forming the Q Nordic project (the other is Q-L527).

This is Q-L804’s position in relation to it’s neighbors:

Q-L804 and it's neighbor clades with time estimates from Yfull for branching. ybp = Years before present

Q-L804 and it’s neighbor clades with time estimates from Yfull for branching. ybp = Years before present

Q-L804 is very independant. It’s closest neighbor clade is Q-M3 but their most recent common ancestor lived about 15,000 years ago. Q-M3’s members have Native American ancestry.

Just a little further away is the Q-Z780 subclade which also has members of Native American ancestry. The Anzick-1 boy buried in Montana, USA, 12,600 years ago and found in 1968 belonged to Q-Z780.

As far as we know now (data from Yfull), contemporary members of Q-M3 have an origin in countries like Peru, Colombia and Mexico and contemporary subclades of Q-Z780 are found in Mexico.

Branches of Q-L804

A total of 23 BigY samples have revealed a basic structure of Q-L804. So far we know three main branches:

Q-L804 and it's three branches

Q-L804 and it’s three branches

The branches all have a common ancestor who lived about 3100 years ago. There are about the same number of kits in each branch.

Distribution of the three branches

The known ancestors of the tested kits indicate different histories of the branches.

The three Q-L804 branches. Origin of BigY kits with known ancestry.

The three Q-L804 branches. Origin of BigY kits with known ancestry.

Q-JN15 Western Scandinavia

The branch defined by the SNP JN15 has members with ancestry from western Norway, Iceland, Britain, and France.

The Western Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

The Western Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

It seems reasonable to think that the diversity of nationalities reflects an expansion from Norway by Vikings and/or Normans. The Icelandic kit splits from the others a little later and has it’s genetically closest cousin in Geiranger, Møre og Romsdal, Norway.

The distance Geiranger - Iceland is about 1200 km

The distance Geiranger – Iceland is about 1200 km

Q-BY386 Britain

The British branch, defined by the SNP BY386, has kits from England and Scotland. In this branch there are also kits from USA with unknown but supposed British origin.

The British branch of Q-L804.

The British branch of Q-L804.

MacSwain, the Scottish kit at the far right of the chart, is the first to split from the others. Three tested kits with the surname Pearson is a part of this subclade. They are not yet fully analyzed at Yfull.

Q-BY469 Easter Scandinavia

The branch defined by the SNP BY469 has most of it’s members in Sweden.

The Eastern Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

The Eastern Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

There is also a kit with German ancestry (surname Frum) and a kit from Hedmark in Norway close to the Swedish border.

Link to the Q Nordic project

Link to Q-L804 at Yfull

Link to Q Nordic at Yseq

Link to overview for print (PDF)

 

I1-SwF cluster / I1-JN38 subclade – status 2015-10-08

SwF is a cluster with ancestry on both sides the Gulf of Bothnia

.Gulf of Bothnia

SwF was first identified by STR matches but recently a couple of BigY kits have made it possible to form a branch in the haplogroup tree defined by the SNP JN38/Y16813. Yfull currently displays two kits, at a new branch after I1-Z2337:
http://yfull.com/tree/I-Y16813/

A third BigY kit has just been completed (not at Yfull yet) and a fourth twig has been formed by testing of single SNPs at Yseq.

I1-JN38 subclade

Link to PDF

Explanation of time estimates

A 4100 years since the most recent common ancestor of all men being Z2337+, according to Yfull estimates.

B 750 years since the common ancestor in this split lived, according to Yfull estimates.

C 1350 years since the common ancestor of this split, roughly based on four more SNPs compared to split B and about 150 years per SNP.

D 300 years to common ancestor of split based on Yseq results on CombBED SNPs, JN41-, JN43+, JN44+, JN46+, JN47-. 2 of 5 SNPs are negative over 750 years, dating the split to roughly 300 ybp.

The ancestry of kit #298918 is known back to year 1800, Örnsköldsvik Sweden. The oldest known ancestor of kit #N136156 lived in Viborg, Finland in the late 19th century. Based on this knowledge it is not likely that the split occured less than 250 years ago.

Jakob Norstedt-Moberg

Member of SSGG – Swedish Society for Genetic Genealogy

 Link to FamilyTreeDNA project I1-Z2336(xL22,M227)

Yfull tree

Link to Yseq data

Link to local copy of Yseq data

 

French Q-L804 subclade – trace of Normans?

The Scandinavian haplogroup Q-L804 has been expanded with a branch from Norway to the North Western France, close to Normandy. This happend when the BigY results for a kit with French origin came in last week. The results make it possible to believe that the new French kit has a Norman origin.

qnormand

The Norwegian kits which are close to the French have their oldest known ancestors in Møre og Romsdal and Nord-Trøndelag in the 18th – 19th century while the French has it’s origin in Mayenne, Pays de la Loire, in the 17th century.

The current Yfull TMRCA indicates that they have a common ancestor about 1600 years before present which means that the migration should have occured in the centuries after the 5th century, with very wide margins. The Normands occupied what’s now Normandy in the beginning of the 10th century. The new French result is not yet included in the Yfull time estimate.

The current Q-L804 overview.

Q Nordic project

Q-L804 at Yfull

 

Testing Novel SNPs to define the most recent parts of my branch

Jakob Norstedt
E-mail: jakob@hoijen.se

Normally SNPs are very old, but some are indeed possible to use for the last few generations. This is what I did to find out the latest details of my branch.

I am I1, did once test Z73+ and L1302+, but it’s a long time since those were my terminal SNPs. I am one of the admins of the i1-Z73 subclade projects (I1-L1301/I1-L1302) where we have found many new branches and several new levels of terminal SNPs.

After a BigY/Yfull test of my 6th cousin a few months ago (YF03087) I was defined as I1-BY2828 in the Yfull experimental tree (I am YF01888). We have the mutation BY2828 in common.

2015-05-14 by2828

But Yfull also showed three remaining Novel SNPs of best or acceptable quality, personal SNPs that had occured on my line in the last few hundred years. Some time after the Most Recent Common Ancestor for me and my 6th cousin, Christoffer Norstedt b. 1672. I was curious to find out when.

2015-05-14 novel SNPs

I named the Novels JN01, JN02 and JN03 and wished them at Yseq.com.

JN01 wasn’t possible to test but JN02 and JN03 were made available for order at Yseq.

I swabbed my dad’s 1st cousin, sent the sample to Yseq, and now the result has come. The cousin is JN03+, but JN02-. I.e. JN03 occured before our common ancestor and JN02 after.

So now I know a little more about how my former Novel SNPs JN02 and JN03 are placed on my paternal line (some of the older SNPs are omitted, years of the older SNPs based on Yfull’s estimates):

2015-05-14 by147 line with novels

Q-L804, current status of one of the Q Nordic subclades

Q-L804 is one of the two subclades of Q considered Nordic (the other is Q-L527). It is special because it’s sibling subclade is the Q-M3 originating in the Americas.

2015-04-18 M930

The common origin is Q-M930; the two subclades have a most recent common ancestor (MRCA) about 15,000 years ago.

There is an unbroken sequence of SNPs on this Q Nordic branch from 15,000 ybp (years before present) to 3,000 ybp. Not one single split. Branches may very well exist but they have not yet been found.

11 BigY kits

So far 11 BigY kits have been gathered from the Q-L804 subclade. All but two have been deeper analyzed by the Yfull service.

These are the current branches of the Q-L804 subclade:

2015-04-26 Q-L804

The presented ages of the subclades are the SNP based estimations made by Yfull.com, published in their experimental tree (v.3.8), slightly rounded in some cases.

The Pearson kit (far left) is still waiting for it’s BigY. Pearson is known to belong to the L807+ subclade of L804 so it will be interesting to see where the Pearson branch joins the other L804 branches.

Origin of L804

So where was the origin of the mutation L804? Mapping the origins of the ancestors might give a clue.

2015-04-18 L804 map

The map shows the locations for the most distant ancestor (MDA) for each BigY sample, with the corresponding terminal SNP.

It is indeed possible to draw two curves on the map which in a  reasonable way may show how the migration could av taken place. They are in no way intended to tell the truth, just to demonstrate a scenario not unlikely to have happend.

According to this map, the L804 might have an origin at the Atlantic coast of central Norway. From there it might have spread to central and northern Sweden and to Scotland and England.

SNP testing suggestions

BigY

The subclade is best explored by having as many individuals testing BigY as possible. Ordering a BigY will give not only known SNPs but novels that can be matched with other kits to form new branches.

If you want to pinpoint your exact position in the tree and contribute to its expansion with new branches and twigs you should order BigY.

Single SNP testing

An alternative to BigY is to order tests of single SNPs. You won’t explore any new branches by this but it will give a rough idea of where you belong.

Some of the SNPs are available for testing at FTDNA (marked *). Others are available at Yseq.net (marked **).

2015-04-26 L804 SNP testing

All branches of L804 can be tested. There seems to be a geographical pattern which might be used as a start for selecting the right SNP to test.

So far this is valid as a first step if it is likely that you belong to the L804 subclade:

  • Test BY386 if your paternal origin is British.
  • Test BY460 if your paternal origin is central Sweden or eastern Norway.
  • Test JN13 (Yseq.net) if your paternal origin is the Norwegian Atlantic coast
  • Test Y10787 (yseq.net) if your paternal origin is northern Sweden (Ångermanland, Västerbotten)

A SNP test can deliver either a positive or a negative result, both giving experience and a deeper knowledge. So don’t be too disappointed if the test doesn’t turn out the way you expected. It will still be very interesting for the project and it will help in deciding which SNP you should try next.

Jakob Norstedt, Admin Q Nordic project
E-mail: jakob@hoijen.se

Q Nordic project: http://www.familytreedna.com/groups/qnordic