Etikettarkiv: L804

Q-L804 – Current status 2016-01-29

by Jakob Norstedt, admin Q Nordic project
E-mail: jakob@hoijen.se

Q-L804 is one of the two subclades forming the Q Nordic project (the other is Q-L527).

This is Q-L804’s position in relation to it’s neighbors:

Q-L804 and it's neighbor clades with time estimates from Yfull for branching. ybp = Years before present

Q-L804 and it’s neighbor clades with time estimates from Yfull for branching. ybp = Years before present

Q-L804 is very independant. It’s closest neighbor clade is Q-M3 but their most recent common ancestor lived about 15,000 years ago. Q-M3’s members have Native American ancestry.

Just a little further away is the Q-Z780 subclade which also has members of Native American ancestry. The Anzick-1 boy buried in Montana, USA, 12,600 years ago and found in 1968 belonged to Q-Z780.

As far as we know now (data from Yfull), contemporary members of Q-M3 have an origin in countries like Peru, Colombia and Mexico and contemporary subclades of Q-Z780 are found in Mexico.

Branches of Q-L804

A total of 23 BigY samples have revealed a basic structure of Q-L804. So far we know three main branches:

Q-L804 and it's three branches

Q-L804 and it’s three branches

The branches all have a common ancestor who lived about 3100 years ago. There are about the same number of kits in each branch.

Distribution of the three branches

The known ancestors of the tested kits indicate different histories of the branches.

The three Q-L804 branches. Origin of BigY kits with known ancestry.

The three Q-L804 branches. Origin of BigY kits with known ancestry.

Q-JN15 Western Scandinavia

The branch defined by the SNP JN15 has members with ancestry from western Norway, Iceland, Britain, and France.

The Western Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

The Western Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

It seems reasonable to think that the diversity of nationalities reflects an expansion from Norway by Vikings and/or Normans. The Icelandic kit splits from the others a little later and has it’s genetically closest cousin in Geiranger, Møre og Romsdal, Norway.

The distance Geiranger - Iceland is about 1200 km

The distance Geiranger – Iceland is about 1200 km

Q-BY386 Britain

The British branch, defined by the SNP BY386, has kits from England and Scotland. In this branch there are also kits from USA with unknown but supposed British origin.

The British branch of Q-L804.

The British branch of Q-L804.

MacSwain, the Scottish kit at the far right of the chart, is the first to split from the others. Three tested kits with the surname Pearson is a part of this subclade. They are not yet fully analyzed at Yfull.

Q-BY469 Easter Scandinavia

The branch defined by the SNP BY469 has most of it’s members in Sweden.

The Eastern Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

The Eastern Scandinavia branch of Q-L804.

There is also a kit with German ancestry (surname Frum) and a kit from Hedmark in Norway close to the Swedish border.

Link to the Q Nordic project

Link to Q-L804 at Yfull

Link to Q Nordic at Yseq

Link to overview for print (PDF)

 

French Q-L804 subclade – trace of Normans?

The Scandinavian haplogroup Q-L804 has been expanded with a branch from Norway to the North Western France, close to Normandy. This happend when the BigY results for a kit with French origin came in last week. The results make it possible to believe that the new French kit has a Norman origin.

qnormand

The Norwegian kits which are close to the French have their oldest known ancestors in Møre og Romsdal and Nord-Trøndelag in the 18th – 19th century while the French has it’s origin in Mayenne, Pays de la Loire, in the 17th century.

The current Yfull TMRCA indicates that they have a common ancestor about 1600 years before present which means that the migration should have occured in the centuries after the 5th century, with very wide margins. The Normands occupied what’s now Normandy in the beginning of the 10th century. The new French result is not yet included in the Yfull time estimate.

The current Q-L804 overview.

Q Nordic project

Q-L804 at Yfull

 

Fransk gren av Q-L804 – spår av normander?

Den skandinaviska haplogruppen Q-L804 har nu en gren från Norge till trakten av Normandie. Förgreningen från de norska ”kusinerna” gör det möjligt att tro att det franska kitet har ett ursprung i norska normander.

qnormand

De norska resultaten har äldsta kända anor i Møre og Romsdal och Nord-Trøndelag på 1700-1800-talet och det franska har sin äldsta kända ana i Mayenne, Pays de la Loire, på 1600-talet (Trotry de la Touche).

Enligt Yfulls hittillsvarande uppskattning (där det franska resultatet ännu inte finns med) har de en gemensam ana som ligger c:a 1600 år tillbaka vilket innebär att förgreningen bör ha skett under århundradena efter 400-talet. Normanderna ockuperade nuvarande landskapet Normandie i början av 900-talet.

Här finns den senaste översikten över Q-L804.

Q Nordic-projektet

Q-L804 hos Yfull